deal with the debt ceiling issue later, pay the bills first, and have this debate over whether or not it's a good idea, and how it's responsible to actually deal with the federal deficit? >> i think right now, in the united states of america, the people, forget about congress, forget about -- let's talk about the people, the personal financial issues here. they need to know that if they're getting unemployment or they're getting social security, unemployment, not so much, but social security, veterans benefit, small businesses, they need to know that their future is secure. that they're not all of a sudden going to get something and say, sorry, you don't get your paycheck, that they're living on. and when they start to get afraid, they stop spending money. when they stop spending money, the whole economy suffers. so why can't you just say to them, of course we're going to be raising the debt ceiling. we don't actually have a choice. take that fare out of their lives and then let's deal with the problem that they haven't been able to deal with for years now, but hopefully they'll be ab